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I have some black butterfly loaded 160gr raptor ammo, I was wondering if anyone has hand loaded these same bullets. If so how do they perform on whitetail deer type animals? I’ll be shooting them out of a Ruger Gunsite Scout bolt action.

They do look like they hold promise, for sure. Go shoot some water soaked phone books or if you got the time and money buy some ballistic gel. ....and take some pictures.

I do believe Coyote Whacker had a hand in developing that bullet with CEB.

At the speeds Black Butterfly posted, they should be a bang flop on whitetails!

Al in Mi wrote:I do believe Coyote Whacker had a hand in developing that bullet with CEB.

At the speeds Black Butterfly posted, they should be a bang flop on whitetails!

With deer they just "BANG" and DRT....I've only had one buck go any where after being shot....that was because it was a bad shot to far back but only went 50 yards.....

Was the first person to use the CEB 160 gr. Raptor in a 450 BM. it was originally developed for use in a muzzleloader and sold with a sabot ...my handload in a Bushmaster AR-15 20 " barrel is 2679 fps 10' from the end of the barrel....
I finely have a bolt action rifle I'am going to keep tried several others and they went down the road....so when the weather brakes going to see what it can do with loads close to 60'000 psi.....should be around to 2900 fps in a 20" barrel....

They maybe one of the most expensive bullets made but they're also one of the most deadly I have ever used....I wouldn't use any other bullet made and I have tried many....only way I think they could be better is if they were made out of brass and weighted a little more 180-200 gr. bullet might be a little better....

Timothy is looking down from heaven and smiling upon Mister Coyote Whacker right now. Just sayin.
2900FPS!?!?!?

That's if I can find the right powder ? Even moving 2775 fps like Black Butterfly states that's moving right along....Loading long with a longer throat I can increase case capacity to even surpass factory load length 460 S&W only need .10" more and all bolt action have enough space to do that.....had no problem getting real close to 3000fps with a 460 S&W I've done it with the 160 gr Raptor with pressure at 58'000 psi checked with test equipment....
There one thing about using LilGun one of the very good powders to use if you compress to get more in a case its velocities will go down the more you try to compress in a case the lower it will go ....I've lost 150 fps compressing 3 grs. of powder .....it's sort of an "idiot" proof powder in a bolt action...I have done it in my 50 B&M Super Short it's very much like the 450 BM as far as powders that work good in it and is a straight wall cartridge.....

Nothing is idiot proof because idiots can still be creative.

Hoot

Hoot wrote:Nothing is idiot proof because idiots can still be creative.

Hoot

when i was in college, dipping my toes into the computer science degree field, a brilliant professor told us "never try to make something idiot proof, because then someone will only build a better idiot to defeat it"

instead he suggested we try to design any programs/software we created to be "roommate proof" for that college roommate who'd barely touched a computer in school and didnt know anything about them (this was back in the mid 90's)