thebrassnuckles wrote:hmm... i was planning on using the 450 as my HD gun
No problem, use any of the Hollow-Pointed bullets designed for the 45 ACP. Consider, the 185-230gr HP bullets that normally starts life at about 900fps and at 300fps they are still expanding. What happens to that bullet at speeds over 2000fps? OK, now try 2500fps or how about 3000fps. Right away you start to realize what the pistol bullets now have become, are a varmint style bullet, with totally explosive expansion, with the accompanying effect of total bullet destruction. In test, we generally could not get that bullet to reliably pass through a common house wall, and when one would, there was not much left of the bullet to do any real harm. Bingo, HD Deluxe..t