Bmt85 wrote:I think Savage is so inexpensive because ...
Anyways, sorry to derail the thread. I’m not trying to push you away from the 450, I love the cartridge, that’s why I have 2 dedicated lowers and 4 uppers.
The 200 XPB is a great bullet. Does great inside 100yds, maybe 150yd, depending on muzzle speed. It has a low b.c. and needs a minimum of 1800fps to expand, IIRC. So if you can SAFELY push it to 2500fps or better, it should fit your needs perfectly.
That was a nice rifle by the way!
Np, I started talking about the MSR10, lol
Yeah, it is good to hear feedback because I don't know. Spec and on paper; but not in hand and dunno, gotta get opinions to see what folks know that I don't.
The 450B is very interesting and I think it has a lot of utility. I think it will do the intended job of a bush rifle, very well.
Per the Fairbanks Hospital data I have seen and bear attacks, they stated use something bigger than a .44 magnum. The new trend in Alaska seems to be going to the 10mm. I have a 10mm, the Tanfoglio Witness Hunter. Because it is a double stack mag and capacity matters. If the Hospital data concludes go bigger than a .44; but the trend is 10mm, to me this implies it really wasn't caliber, it was a hit to the CNS that stopped the huge predator. Bleed out takes too long, so you have to hit the off switch. The energy of the round needs to be able to get to the CTS though and not bounce off the skull or get deflected away by the underbrush. Where it is popular for the chest basket carry of a S&W 500, I am told the .45 long colt and the .454 Casull are plenty enough and more easily controllable. What I summarize is that being able to control the recoil and get the followup shot quickly is really important, so this is where the AR platform shines. Muzzel break, recoil buffer, recoil pad and easy to aim and get the hit, is inherent to the pluses of the AR platform. If all those other pistol rounds do the job, the 450B has to as well and the AR platform offers better recoil dampening, plus accuracy.
Yeah, 450B makes a lot of sense. Now all I need to do is figure out my favorite load. The .308,it isn't as much the bush gun, it is what I think I would go to for the 100- 200 yard hogging. I think I can do with the 450B what I had the 12ga slugger in mind for, and get a .308 for the little bit longer shots for the open field hunting. No reason I can't have both and I think the 450B will turn out to be the better brush tool than a 12ga slug shotty. Looks like head-shots and or a thermal ocular need to be considered now too.
Gun control is using both hands, good gun control is hitting your target precisely.